hate mail from the ignorant... lessons in dialogue

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From: BT
Date: Sep 14, 2006 9:12 AM


wait do you honestly believe that internet movie loose change? how fuckin dumb can you be? do you honselty believe that three college kids foiled this government conspiracy? give me a break, go read some real books about 9/11 you dumbass. or try talking to anyone that was actually there instead of formulating a dumbass opnion from an INTERNET MOVIE. people like you are the reason why this country is going backwards, ever heard of formulating your own opinion? and here you go smart ass, here is some factual information that proves your loose change bullshit incorrect, what was the main theory, that steel melts at too high of a temperature for jet fuel to melt it?

-For anyone interested in a point-by-point debunking of some of the most popular conspiracy theories out there (like the fact that steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn't have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C), check out the following link:

National Institute of Standards and Technology: Fact Sheet

it sucks being smart doesen't it? just please, think before you open your disgusting mouth, i have friends that are soldiers, and i am sure the family members of people who were lost during 9/11 wouldn't appreciate your bullshit

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SO I WROTE:

look BS... i mean, BT....
i don't appreciate your attack. if you want to have a discussion, i'm all for it. i, too, have a close friend that is a soldier in Iraq. he believes, as i do, that our government is up to some atrocious covert behaviors (which, mr history book, is nothing new at all.) and i'll have you know that the families of the 9/11 victims confront this issue in a variety of ways, but many of them are members of our groups that push for the truth about 9/11. i was at ground zero last monday and one victims wife, in tears of joy and sorrow, threw her arms around me and kissed me on the cheek while she thanked me and said, "you have no idea how much you have touched me today. thank you so much for doing what you are doing."

with regards to loose change: of course i do not feel that three brave and motivated young men (one ex military, 2 terms served, by the way: http://www.myspace.com/koreyrowe) have debunked a govt conspiracy. i DO believe that they have compiled in an accessible and concise manner the EXTREMELY OBVIOUS facts that support the idea that 9/11 was an inside job... at the very least, that 9/11 deserves the investigation that it never properly received. have you even seen 'loose change'? it is largely a compilation of news clippings taken directly from broadcasts.

i wouldn't even know where to begin debunking your thought processes both because there is SO MUCH information and because you are so obviously upset by any dissent. lemme guess... you watch fox news? do you know ANYTHING about rupert murdoch?
the theorists that support the official 9/11 story have little to go on, which is why they cling to the argument about the temperature at which jet fuel burns.

-"the jet fuel fires... burned off in less than 10 minutes... burned at, or below, temperatures typical in office fires." -WTC bldg performance, FEMA

-"no steel-frame building has EVER been destroyed by fire" -fire engineering magazine

THERE ARE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS:

-why did bldg 7 fall?
no plane hit that building and there were bldgs in closer proximity that did not fall. and i'm sure you've already read the 9/11 commission report in all its boring splendor, so didn't you wonder why there was ABSOLUTELY NO ANALYSIS of building 7? ... hardly even mentioned...

-where is the pentagon plane? and why won't the pentagon release the 80+ videos from the cameras that surround the "most secure building in the world"?

-where is flight 93?
have you ever tried to use your cell phone at standard flight altitude? i do every time i fly now. no dice.

-why did the government haul away the ground zero rubble in such a timely manner and without allowing an investigation or analysis of the debris? even a residential house fire gets the due process of an analysis. what was their hurry? it certainly was NOT to get to work on building that monument, because here we are 5 years later with zero construction being done there. check this: ..>

our government didn't even respond to the hurricane victims in new orleans as quickly as they got rid of that evidence. and larry silverstein, owner of the world trade center buildings, was paid out 2 fold on the specifically terrorist attack insurance policy he took out JUST WEEKS before 9/11... he made his 7+ BILLION dollars and katrina victims are getting fucking nothing. many people who are insurance policy underwriters have come forward to say that a 3.5 BILLION dollar policy would NEVER have been approved on buildings that weak. because, as everyone who has done any real research on this subject knows, buildings that tall are designed to structurally withstand attacks and/or accidents of that kind. those building were built with a possible plane crash in mind.

-"the towers could probably sustain MULTIPLE impacts of jet liners..." -frank demartino, WTC manager of construction/chief engineer (killed 9/11/01)

structural engineers have come forward with a plethora of evidence supporting the idea that those buildings were demolitioned. one of my favorites-- it is on the record that bldg 1 & 2 each fell in under 12 seconds. the official story: those buildings had begun falling from the points of damage, each floor of concrete and steel falling onto the next floor and causing it to collapse in under 12 seconds. do the math... even if it only took .5 seconds, ONE HALF OF A SECOND, for each of those floors to fall, it would have taken AT LEAST 50 SECONDS FOR THOSE BUILDINGS TO FALL.
those buildings were demolitioned, son.

-NORAD was turned over to a citizen for the fist time ever... on 9/11 dick cheney was in charge of our "fail safe" national security. why?

-on 9/11 and also coincidentally on the day of the oklahoma city bombings our government was running war games in the exact terrorist scenarios that occurred.

-ELEVEN warnings from foreign sources about a spectacular attack on the US were received over several months before 9/11 and ignored. so were several warnings from FBI field agents.

oh this is mostly just off the top of my head and the quotes are right here at my fingertips, there is so much more. if you are interested in some good books on the subject:
"terror timeline" paul thompson
"synthetic terror" webster griffin tarpley

but let me tell you two more things. while over 1000 of us were present at ground zero, silently demanding (with our "investigate 9/11" tee shirts and the passing out of 'loose change' dvds) that our government give us answers and reopen the investigation into 9/11...

1. we were eagerly escorted by the local police and gratefully approached by the firefighters present because THOSE MEN AND WOMEN KNOW that our security systems do not fail on such a massive scale. those men and women lost colleagues and families in that fire and they KNOW the official story is an impossibility. they HEARD the explosions and saw those building drop dead.
and the killing keeps on... the EPA, approved by our idiot prince bush, declared the ground zero site safe for the rescue workers and the air breathable. now everyday there are new reports about the alarming percentages of those first responders who have fallen ill with cancer and other fatal respiratory illnesses. those men and women are scared and they want answers just like we do.
2. we got zero media coverage, not because a movement like this is not newsworthy, but because our government does not want potentially smart people like YOU to go researching for himself.

you seem to have an inquiring mind. in your stephen hawking blog you say that you would feel "violated and deceived by your country if a disaster like this was to take place without having any previous knowledge" (speaking of nuclear disaster) but i think you are putting off your realization of what your government (more precisely, the corporate power infrastructure that puppets your government) is currently doing to your people. and it hardly warrants mentioning that it is business men who work largely with our country responsible for selling a great majority of weaponry and technology to all the countries with which we are now at war. do you not think we have plans to enter syria, iran, and eventually take this war-mongering and money-making machine to world war??

here is a little more hawking for you:



it doesn't suck being smart at all, actually.